| Republican presidential nominee, former U.S. President Donald Trump
arrives for a campaign rally at Avflight at Cherry Capital Airport on
October 25, 2024 in Traverse City, Michigan. Former President Donald Trump appeared in a nearly three hour episode
of the “The Joe Rogan Experience” podcast hosted by UFC commentator Joe
Rogan.
On Friday, the 45th president appeared on Rogan’s podcast, which has 14.5 million followers on Spotify and 17.6 million subscribers on YouTube.
Trump talked about a variety of topics, which made the interview nearly three hours long.
The former president began talking about John Bolton, who served as
White House National security adviser until he was fired in 2019. He
continued saying how he had been warned by businessman Phil Ruffin that
Bolton was a “bad guy,” but by then, Trump had already hired him.
“And he was right. But he was good in a certain way. He’s a nut job.
And every time I had to deal with a country when they saw this whack job
standing behind me, they said, ‘Man, Trump’s going to go to war with
us.’ He was with Bush when they went stupidly into the Middle East. They
should have never done it. I used to say it as a civilian, so I always
got more publicity than other people,” Trump said. “It wasn’t like I was
trying,” Trump said. “In fact, I don’t know exactly why. Maybe you can
tell me.”
“I could definitely tell you,” Rogan offered. “You said a lot of wild s— and then CNN in
all their brilliance by highlighting your wild s— made you much more
popular. And they boost you in the polls because people were tired of
someone talking in this bulls— pre-prepared politician lingo. And even
if they didn’t agree with you, they at least knew whoever that guy is,
that’s him. That’s really him.”
Rogan went on to say that “the rebels are Republican now.”
“The rebels are Republicans now, though, like you want to be
invisible, you want to be punk rock, you want to like, buck the system?
You’re a conservative now,” Rogan said. “That’s how crazy. And then the
liberals are now pro-silencing criticism. They’re pro-censorship online.
… [T]hey come in regulating free speech and now regulating the First
Amendment. It’s bananas to watch.”
Trump also recalled his meeting with former President Barack Obama
during the presidential transition period in which he said “Obama
thought we were going to go to war with North Korea.”
Rogan then recalled how Trump had called North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un “Little Rocket Man” early on in his first term.
“I said, ‘Little Rocket Man, you’re going to burn in hell.’ And it
was rough,” Trump said. “I got to know him better than anybody, anybody.
And I said, ‘Do you ever do anything else? Why don’t you go take it
easy and relax? Go to the beach?’ You know, kiddingly, I said, ‘You’re
always building nuclear power plants. Just relax. You don’t have to do
it. Let’s build some condos.'”
Later on, Trump discussed his initiative to “Make America Healthy
Again” to which Rogan praised him for. He also asked if he would
consider having Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as a part of his administration.
“Oh, I am, but the only thing I want to be a little careful about
with him is the environmental. Because, you know, he doesn’t like oil. I
love oil,” Trump said. “I think just keep him out of the fire. So I’m
going to keep him out of a little bit. I said focus on health. Focus.
You could do whatever you want, but, I got to be a little bit careful
with the liquid gold.”
Rogan went on to reference how “there are chemicals and ingredients
in our food that are illegal in other countries because they’ve been
shown to be toxic.”
“There’s pesticides and herbicides, and there’s a lot of sh– that’s
been sprayed on our food that really is unnecessary,” the podcaster
said. “And there’s a lot of health consequences.” Rogan added that
Kennedy recently told him that “more than 70% of young men are
ineligible for the military because of their health.”
“But RFK is going to be – you know I think he’s a great guy,” Trump said.
“But I would say that the Big Pharma wasn’t thrilled when they heard
that,” Trump said. “I’ve actually always gotten along very well with
him. I’ve known him a long time. He’s a different kind of a guy. He’s
very smart, great guy, and he’s very sincere about this. I mean, he
really is. You know, he thinks we spend a fortune on pesticides and all
this stuff, and then you end up at that chart is a terrible shot.”
Trump then went on to blast the Afghanistan withdrawal under the
Biden-Harris administration. Rogan agreed, mentioning the 13 U.S.
service members killed in a suicide bombing at Kabul airport and the
billions of dollars worth of equipment left behind now seen in Taliban
military parades.
Trump stated that President Joe Biden should have fired everyone
involved in the withdrawal plan, criticizing retired Gen. Mark Milley,
who served as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under Trump and
Biden.
He went on to say that U.S. troops should have left last from Bagram
Air Base because it is “one hour away from where China makes its nuclear
missiles” and should have taken all of their equipment with them.
“Every plane, every screw should have been taken out, every tent.
And I said that. That’s when I realized that Milley was a dummy. I said,
‘we’re leaving, but I want to get everything out,'” Trump said.
“‘Sir, it’s cheaper to leave it,'” Trump said Milley told him.
“It’s cheaper to leave it?” Rogan asked. “Yeah, he said it’s cheaper to leave it,” Trump affirmed.
“Cheaper?” Rogan asked again. “Not more dangerous?”
“He just said cheaper,” Trump said. “I said ‘I want every plane, I
want every tank, I want the goggles, said night goggles. They have all
this stuff that these guys now have.’ He said, ‘sir, it’s cheaper to get
out and leave it.’ I said, so you think it’s cheaper to leave $150
million brand new airplane in there than it is to fly it out with a tank
of jet fuel and put it in Pakistan, or just fly it directly back?”
“‘It’s cheaper to leave it.’ I said, ‘this guy’s nuts,'” Trump added.
“I’m telling you, he was so stupid. He was so unwise. He was like an
unwise man. And there were a number of them.”
Trump also said that he had spoken with the Taliban’s chief negotiator, Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar.
“I had a couple of conversations with Abdul, and from the time I had
those conversations, because they were shooting our soldiers, you know,
with the sniper stuff,” Trump said. “They were shooting a lot with
Obama, much less with me. But they were shooting them. And I said, get
this guy on the phone. The press went nuts when they heard this. I had a
great conversation – It was a tough conversation. 18 months later,
there wasn’t one soldier that was ever shot at, and even Biden admitted
it in a moment of stupidity.”
He concluded by calling Vice President Kamala Harris a “very low IQ person,” referencing when she compared him to Adolf Hitler.
“There’s the rhetoric is also that you’re Hitler and that in order to
stop Hitler, you have to do whatever,” Rogan said. “I mean, you’re
hearing this now, Kamala compared you, said you love Hitler yesterday.”
“Kamala is a very low IQ person. She’s a very low IQ. You know, I’m
for taking tests too. I think anybody that runs for president should
take, they should give them a test,” Trump said.
“And it’s not an age thing,” Trump stated. “If you look back on
history, 70s and 80s, your greatest, some of your greatest leaders in
the world, world history, long time world history, they were in their
70s, in their 80s. But I think you should take cognitive tests. I think
everybody – they say it’s unconstitutional, but I think that’s
ridiculous. I think Kamala should have a test because there’s something
missing. There’s something wrong with her.”
“Well, I think it’s pressure,” Rogan said. “I think the pressure and
the scrutiny. You’ve been a celebrity for a long time, and you
understand what this is like. But for someone who’s in her late 40s, who
becomes the vice president, who runs for president, becomes a vice
president, and then all of a sudden, the weight of the world is on your
shoulders. And there’s all these people, a lot of people clam up.”
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